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>>> welcome to "a.z. illustrated" science. illustrated" science. i'm your host jane poynter. i'm your host jane poynter. more people with mental health more people with mental health problems go to their clergy than problems go to their clergy thantheir doctor.

university of arizona cancer center, their doctor. today we'll tell you what houses today we'll tell you what housesof worship are doing to make of worship are doing to make sure they are providing the sure they are providing the appropriate care.

appropriate care. also, we talk with a law also, we talk with a law professor who is involved in professor who is involved in federal litigation over the new federal litigation over the new six-strike policy, meant to six-strike policy, meant to address video piracy. address video piracy. those stories in just a moment. those stories in just a moment. but first, we head to the but first, we head to the arizona public media newsroom. arizona public media newsroom. >> governor jan brewer is

>> governor jan brewer is continuing her push to expand continuing her push to expand medicaid in arizona. medicaid in arizona. she unveiled her proposal during she unveiled her proposal duringa midday news conference. a midday news conference. >> this plan will bring $8 >> this plan will bring $8 billion into our economy over billion into our economy over the next four years. the next four years. it will throw a lifeline, a it will throw a lifeline, a safety net in rural hospitals

safety net in rural hospitals struggling with the cost of struggling with the cost of caring for the undeterred. caring for the undeterred. it will keep arizona's tax it will keep arizona's tax dollars here at home. dollars here at home. rather than allowing them to go rather than allowing them to go to washington to be spent on who to washington to be spent on whoknows what. knows what. >> brewer's proposal is >> brewer's proposal is receiving a lukewarm reception

receiving a lukewarm reception by republicans because it is by republicans because it is directly tied to the affordable directly tied to the affordable care act. care act. brewer is one of only five brewer is one of only five republican governors who have republican governors who have agreed to take the federal money agreed to take the federal moneyto expand medicaid. to expand medicaid. the expansion must be approved the expansion must be approved by the legislature.

by the legislature. earlier this week, state earlier this week, state lawmakers in florida voted down lawmakers in florida voted down a similar effort following a similar effort following today's campaign style event, today's campaign style event, the arizona hospital and health the arizona hospital and health care association issued a care association issued a statement applauding the statement applauding the governor's plan. governor's plan. many medical and business groups

many medical and business groupsin the state are backing brewer in the state are backing brewer and her efforts. and her efforts. the fema county board of the fema county board of supervisors is opposing a supervisors is opposing a proposed natural pipeline. proposed natural pipeline. the board voted unanimous tl ed the board voted unanimous tl ed oppose it. oppose it. they say it would be better for they say it would be better for the pipeline to follow an

the pipeline to follow an existing roadway. existing roadway. the supervisors said they are the supervisors said they are willing to legally intervene to willing to legally intervene to keep the pipeline from passing keep the pipeline from passing through the area. through the area. >>> and the u.s. senate >>> and the u.s. senate judiciary committee today judiciary committee today approved a bill requiring approved a bill requiring universal background checks on

universal background checks on gun purchases. gun purchases. last week's background check last week's background check advocates rallied in front of advocates rallied in front of the senator's tuscan office in the senator's tuscan office in hopes of convincing him to vote hopes of convincing him to vote for the bill. for the bill. it was along party lines voting it was along party lines voting against the proposal. against the proposal. that's a look at today's

that's a look at today's headlines. >>> new research happening righthere in southern arizona is here in southern arizona is exploring innovative ways of exploring innovative ways of killing cancer cells without killing cancer cells without harming other parts of the body. harming other parts of the body.georgia davis sat down with the georgia davis sat down with the head of clinical research for head of clinical research for the university of arizona cancer the university of arizona cancercenter to learn more about this

center to learn more about this emerging form of cancer emerging form of cancer treatment. treatment. >> reporter: scientists in >> reporter: scientists in southern arizona are working southern arizona are working hard to find ways to detect hard to find ways to detect cancer earlier and to kill cancer earlier and to kill cancer cells once they are cancer cells once they are found. found. the head of clinical research

the head of clinical research for the university of arizona for the university of arizona cancer center michael bookman cancer center michael bookman says clinical trials going on in says clinical trials going on intuscan are doing state of the tuscan are doing state of the art research, trying to develop art research, trying to develop more effective therapies to more effective therapies to treat cancer while also treat cancer while also minimizing side effects. minimizing side effects. >> with conventional chemo

>> with conventional chemo therapy, an advantage of giving therapy, an advantage of giving a drug intravenously is that it a drug intravenously is that it goes everywhere, and so it can goes everywhere, and so it can reach the cancer, whether it's reach the cancer, whether it's in the lungs, liver, lymph in the lungs, liver, lymph nodes. nodes. but it can affect other organs. but it can affect other organs. >> researchers at the cancer >> researchers at the cancer center are attempting to find

center are attempting to find ways to get the cancer-fighting ways to get the cancer-fighting drug directly to the cancer drug directly to the cancer cells. cells. imunogen has released the first imunogen has released the first drug of this kind after it drug of this kind after it approved fda approval at the end approved fda approval at the endof february. of february. the drug uses what is referred the drug uses what is referred to as smart bomb technology, to

to as smart bomb technology, to target solid tumor cancers, in target solid tumor cancers, in this case, breast cancer. this case, breast cancer. the way this drug works is it the way this drug works is it binds a cancer killing agent to binds a cancer killing agent to an antibody. an antibody. for this reason, it is part of a for this reason, it is part of aclassic drug called antibody classic drug called antibody drug conjugate. drug conjugate. >> antibody is a part of the

>> antibody is a part of the normal immune system and they normal immune system and they recognize different proteins and recognize different proteins andstructures inside the body to structures inside the body to help protect against infection help protect against infection and cancer and other diseases. and cancer and other diseases. and antibodies are fairly large and antibodies are fairly large and they have two binding sites. and they have two binding sites.they're shaped like a y. they're shaped like a y. two sites that can recognize

two sites that can recognize foreign protein. foreign protein. and then one site that's pretty and then one site that's pretty much the same. much the same. and because of that long region and because of that long region called the fc region that called the fc region that opportunity get directly opportunity get directly involved with binding to an involved with binding to an antigen, you can use that to antigen, you can use that to attach to other substances.

attach to other substances. >> next, the antibody is >> next, the antibody is directed at breast cancer, then directed at breast cancer, then it will carry the drug to breast it will carry the drug to breastcancer cells. cancer cells. >> we can take a drug which is >> we can take a drug which is used quite a bit in breast used quite a bit in breast cancer and other diseases and cancer and other diseases and even though it has the potential even though it has the potentialto cause serious side effects by

to cause serious side effects bybeing attentive for the schedule being attentive for the scheduleand the needs of the individual and the needs of the individual patient, we can safely give the patient, we can safely give the patient therapy. patient therapy. by attaching it to an antibody, by attaching it to an antibody, we can take that a step further. we can take that a step further.so we use lower overall doses of so we use lower overall doses ofthe drug because we know that the drug because we know that most of it is going to go

most of it is going to go directly into the cancer and not directly into the cancer and notthat much will be exposed to the that much will be exposed to thepatient. patient. >> following the success, >> following the success, researchers are exploring the researchers are exploring the same approach to target what same approach to target what skaled small cell lung cancer. skaled small cell lung cancer. these cancers are less common these cancers are less common than other types of lung cancer

than other types of lung cancer but they tend to grow and spread but they tend to grow and spreadmore rapidly. more rapidly. >> often at the time when you >> often at the time when you first meet the patient, it's first meet the patient, it's already spread to other organs. already spread to other organs. it's unusual you would find it it's unusual you would find it just limited to one spot. just limited to one spot. >> right now patients with small >> right now patients with smallcell lung cancers usually are

cell lung cancers usually are limited to chemo therapy limited to chemo therapy treatment and all the side treatment and all the side effects those treatmented effects those treatmented caused. caused. >> so having a conjugate that >> so having a conjugate that would target the cancer cells would target the cancer cells and reduce normal host toxicity and reduce normal host toxicity such as bone marrow and nerve such as bone marrow and nerve damage, things like that, that

damage, things like that, that could be very useful. could be very useful. >> useful at fighting cancer and >> useful at fighting cancer andimproving the quality of life improving the quality of life for cancer patients. for cancer patients. >>> house budget chairman paul >>> house budget chairman paul ryan offered his blueprint for ryan offered his blueprint for federal spending today, but a federal spending today, but a white house spokesman dismuisse white house spokesman dismuisse it saying the math doesn't add

it saying the math doesn't add up. up. >> we get the latest on the >> we get the latest on the republican proposal, as republican proposal, as president obama begins a series president obama begins a series of meetings with republican of meetings with republican congress to restart a bipartisan congress to restart a bipartisandialogue. dialogue. >> and in sheryl sandberg's new >> and in sheryl sandberg's new book about women juggling

book about women juggling careers, family, and leadership careers, family, and leadership roles. roles. >> spencer michaels reports on a >> spencer michaels reports on agold mine of information stored gold mine of information stored in a gene data bank that could in a gene data bank that could help revolutionize medicine. help revolutionize medicine. >> this large group of people >> this large group of people about who we know everything about who we know everything about their medical history.

about their medical history. we can look across diseases and we can look across diseases and see are there common elements in see are there common elements inthese diseases? these diseases? >> and on "the daily download," >> and on "the daily download," we look at the gap between what we look at the gap between what twitter followers think and what twitter followers think and whatpolls reveal. polls reveal. that's all ahead on tonight's that's all ahead on tonight's news hour.

news hour. >> michelle norris opened her >> michelle norris opened her inbox to find a woman's message inbox to find a woman's message six words long. six words long. >> ask who i am, not what. >> ask who i am, not what. >> that's one of thousands of >> that's one of thousands of messages she received in the messages she received in the race card project. race card project. >> angry black men are so scary. >> angry black men are so scary.not all mexicans are do

not all mexicans are do landscaping. landscaping. >> we begin exploring stories >> we begin exploring stories behind those words on the next behind those words on the next morning edition from npr news. morning edition from npr news. >>> six strikes. >>> six strikes. that's what many are calling the that's what many are calling thenew anti-piracy policy that went new anti-piracy policy that wentlive at the end of february. live at the end of february. this policy has quickly become a

this policy has quickly become ahot topic on web forums and hot topic on web forums and technology publications because technology publications because of concerns about everything of concerns about everything from copyrights to who is from copyrights to who is running the program to privacy running the program to privacy issues. issues. technology contributor jason technology contributor jason henry has been following the henry has been following the chatter on the web and now tells

chatter on the web and now tellsus what he has been finding. us what he has been finding. >> the general consensus is that >> the general consensus is thatit's pretty much prone to it's pretty much prone to failure because it's relatively failure because it's relatively easy to circumvent. easy to circumvent. there are any number of services there are any number of servicesthat allow you to anonomize your that allow you to anonomize youri.p. address. i.p. address. they match it to internet

they match it to internet service provider and the service provider and the internet service provider is internet service provider is responsible for sending the responsible for sending the customer a message. customer a message. but if you use one of these but if you use one of these services, your i.p. address services, your i.p. address doesn't appear to be coming from doesn't appear to be coming fromany isp, so they can't track you any isp, so they can't track youat all.

at all. >> these sources are actually >> these sources are actually relatively new. relatively new. it's in response to increased it's in response to increased enforcement based on ip address. enforcement based on ip address.there's dozens of them that you there's dozens of them that you can see here, that you can can see here, that you can subscribe to for anywhere subscribe to for anywhere between $5 to $15 a month between $5 to $15 a month depending on what kind of speed

depending on what kind of speed you want, kind of anonymity you you want, kind of anonymity you want. want. this policy has likely become this policy has likely become ineffective because as more ineffective because as more people learn of these service, people learn of these service, they'll tell their friends about they'll tell their friends aboutit. it. even if everybody doesn't start even if everybody doesn't start using these services, you can

using these services, you can download it and burn it the a cd download it and burn it the a cdand give it to a friend. and give it to a friend. the music industry actually went the music industry actually wentthrough a lot of this in the through a lot of this in the last decade when napster came last decade when napster came out, they started trying to sue out, they started trying to sue people and that didn't work very people and that didn't work verywell. well. the piracy kept going up.

the piracy kept going up. what ended up selling the piracy what ended up selling the piracyprogram was the market program was the market responding to people's desire to responding to people's desire todownload music and take it with download music and take it with them. them. used to only download from used to only download from itunes and you could use that on itunes and you could use that onan ipad or you could download an ipad or you could download from microsoft and use that on a

from microsoft and use that on amicrosoft product. microsoft product. and people didn't like that, so and people didn't like that, so they would spend 15 minutes they would spend 15 minutes trying to go on to a piracy trying to go on to a piracy service where they deal with service where they deal with viruss and they thought that was viruss and they thought that wasa more valuable use of their a more valuable use of their time than actually paying for time than actually paying for the product.

the product. once the market decided to offer once the market decided to offerproducts people would pay for, products people would pay for, piracy levels dropped. piracy levels dropped. this year, music piracy down 19% this year, music piracy down 19%over the past couple years, even over the past couple years, evenwith broadband rates increasing. with broadband rates increasing.both of our major isps opted out both of our major isps opted outfor one reason or another. for one reason or another. because of that, no one in

because of that, no one in tuscan proper will receive any tuscan proper will receive any notices. notices. sort of a hodgepodge group of sort of a hodgepodge group of major isps. major isps. most of them, interestingly most of them, interestingly enough, you've got comcast, enough, you've got comcast, they've got a vested interest in they've got a vested interest inprotecting their business model. protecting their business model.time warner cable interested in

time warner cable interested in protecting their business model. protecting their business model.and so instead of adapting to and so instead of adapting to the changing technology, they're the changing technology, they'retrying to get people to conform trying to get people to conform to old standards. to old standards. >> university of arizona law >> university of arizona law professor derek bambauer is professor derek bambauer is involved in a federal court case involved in a federal court caseon this issue.

on this issue. and has been reading legal and has been reading legal documents to determine the documents to determine the government's role in the policy. government's role in the policy.he joins us now in the studio to he joins us now in the studio totell us more. tell us more. >> thanks for having me, jane. >> thanks for having me, jane. >> yes, of course. >> yes, of course. thanks for coming in. thanks for coming in. so how will this six strikes

so how will this six strikes policy affect users, and do policy affect users, and do people know about it? people know about it? >> the strange thing is it's >> the strange thing is it's going to affect almost everyone going to affect almost everyone who has high speed internet who has high speed internet access and no one knows about access and no one knows about it. it. who pays attention to copyright who pays attention to copyright law most of the time?

law most of the time? and the way it will affect and the way it will affect people is we hope at this point people is we hope at this point that people are not unlawfully that people are not unlawfully downloading movies and music. downloading movies and music. always under wonderful lawful always under wonderful lawful sources. sources. but if a user downloading but if a user downloading unlawfully and they get caught, unlawfully and they get caught, all of a sudden they'll get an

all of a sudden they'll get an alert. alert. the next time they use the the next time they use the internet, there will be a screen internet, there will be a screenthat says we think you may have that says we think you may have engaged in illegal activity and engaged in illegal activity and you'll have to actually you'll have to actually acknowledge it. acknowledge it. the reason it's called six the reason it's called six strikes, more than three

strikes, more than three strikes, is that you get sort of strikes, is that you get sort ofincreasingly vigorous slaps on increasingly vigorous slaps on the risk if you keep doing this. the risk if you keep doing this.it means from just a pop-up it means from just a pop-up screen to let you know, to screen to let you know, to something we have to actually something we have to actually sign in and acknowledge that sign in and acknowledge that you've done so, just watch a you've done so, just watch a little video about copyright

little video about copyright law, and when we get to strike law, and when we get to strike six, all of a sudden your six, all of a sudden your internet connection slows down. internet connection slows down. so the idea is we're going to so the idea is we're going to shift you away from bad shift you away from bad behavior. behavior. >> it's interesting. >> it's interesting. so who's actually doing the so who's actually doing the policing?

policing? >> it's a combination of the >> it's a combination of the content industry, so the movie content industry, so the movie studios and the record labels studios and the record labels and the like, and your isps. and the like, and your isps. so essentially hollywood has so essentially hollywood has deputized your isp as the deputized your isp as the copyright police. copyright police. this is a strange development this is a strange development that will take a lot of people

that will take a lot of people by surprise. by surprise. >> so the government isn't >> so the government isn't actually looking at what i'm actually looking at what i'm doing in this particular doing in this particular instance to tell me whether i've instance to tell me whether i'vebeen bad or not. been bad or not. >> they're not. >> they're not. although the government we think although the government we thinkwas integrally involved in the

was integrally involved in the genesis of this. genesis of this. so the court case i'm involved so the court case i'm involved with is seeking to obtain with is seeking to obtain documents from the freedom of documents from the freedom of information act, which is a way information act, which is a way of increasing governmental of increasing governmental transparency. transparency. from what we've gotten so far, from what we've gotten so far, it appears that the obama

it appears that the obama administration's intellectual administration's intellectual property enforcement coordinator property enforcement coordinatorreally pushed hard for this sort really pushed hard for this sortof private bargain between isps of private bargain between isps and content owners, a way of and content owners, a way of sort of decreasing infringement. sort of decreasing infringement.>> and why do you think the >> and why do you think the government is getting involved? government is getting involved? >> intellectual property is

>> intellectual property is something that's actually something that's actually popular across the spectrum. popular across the spectrum. we want to have more movies and we want to have more movies and music and pharmaceuticals and music and pharmaceuticals and things like that. things like that. and in particular, democratic and in particular, democratic administrations have close ties administrations have close ties to hollywood. to hollywood. they get a lot of donations from

they get a lot of donations fromhollywood. hollywood. you have prominent democrats you have prominent democrats such as dianne feinstein from such as dianne feinstein from california who are very strong california who are very strong proponents of the industry. proponents of the industry. it actually became in some ways it actually became in some ways important policy priorities for important policy priorities for this administration. this administration. >> copyright law just sounds so

>> copyright law just sounds so archean. archean. it's not something that normally it's not something that normallyi would have to think about when i would have to think about wheni read a book or something like i read a book or something like that. that. and you're saying that actually and you're saying that actually we really do have to start we really do have to start paying attention to this when paying attention to this when we're noodling around online.

we're noodling around online. we could get caught doing we could get caught doing something naughty quite easily. something naughty quite easily. >> it's so easy to run afoul of >> it's so easy to run afoul of copyright law. copyright law. the difficulty of it is it's the difficulty of it is it's completely counterintuitive. completely counterintuitive. that's the reason we don't pay that's the reason we don't pay attention to it much. attention to it much. most of the time we have

most of the time we have intuitions to guide us. intuitions to guide us. but copyright the very easy to but copyright the very easy to run afoul. run afoul. one thing i think about this six one thing i think about this sixstrike system, to educate people strike system, to educate peopleabout copyright law, we're doing about copyright law, we're doingso from one particular point of so from one particular point of view, the content industry, who view, the content industry, who take a very broad view of their

take a very broad view of their rights and a very restrictive rights and a very restrictive view, such as user right. view, such as user right. so the worry is not only do so the worry is not only do people know very little about people know very little about it, but to the degree that this it, but to the degree that this new system informs them about new system informs them about it, they're getting a rather it, they're getting a rather warped perspective on copyright. warped perspective on copyright.>> so what would you like to see

>> so what would you like to seehappen? happen? >> what i would like to see is >> what i would like to see is two things. two things. one, i would have liked to see one, i would have liked to see users at the table when this users at the table when this bargain was being struck between bargain was being struck betweenisps and content owners. isps and content owners. they were the great missing they were the great missing piece.

piece. their interests are really their interests are really underrepresented. underrepresented. and the second is if we're going and the second is if we're goingto start educating people about to start educating people about copyright, i would rather have copyright, i would rather have it put together. it put together. i would rather have a curriculum i would rather have a curriculumby people who aren't essentially by people who aren't essentiallyone of the stake holders in the

one of the stake holders in the process. process. i'd rather have an open i'd rather have an open participatory way to teach participatory way to teach people how copyright law people how copyright law actually works, rather than to actually works, rather than to give them a perspective that give them a perspective that suits one particular industry. suits one particular industry. >> in the last few seconds we >> in the last few seconds we have, i understand that not all

have, i understand that not all content providers are actually content providers are actually participating in that. participating in that. why is that? why is that? >> i think that there was even >> i think that there was even some disagreement, even in some disagreement, even in hollywood today about thousand hollywood today about thousand handle this problem, whether the handle this problem, whether theright answer is litigation or right answer is litigation or education or other enforcement.

education or other enforcement. and so they got as many people and so they got as many people onboard as possible, but it's onboard as possible, but it's clear that there are those who clear that there are those who actually don't think that this actually don't think that this is the right way to go. is the right way to go. >> thank you very much indeed. >> thank you very much indeed. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. it's been a pleasure. >>> studies show that people experiencing a mental health

experiencing a mental health issue are more likely to turn to issue are more likely to turn totheir clergy than a doctor. their clergy than a doctor. tuscan's clergy are working to tuscan's clergy are working to learn more about mental illness learn more about mental illness and developing new ways to and developing new ways to respond. respond. gisela telis has the story. gisela telis has the story. >> put your arm around the >> put your arm around the person next to you.

person next to you. >> when times with hard, many >> when times with hard, many people turn to their faith for people turn to their faith for strength and comfortable. strength and comfortable. but in the wake of the recession but in the wake of the recessionand the loss of about half of and the loss of about half of arizona's funding for mental arizona's funding for mental health services over the past health services over the past five years, some of tuscan's five years, some of tuscan's faith communities started to see

faith communities started to seepeople coming in for a different people coming in for a differentreason, says karen mcdonald. reason, says karen mcdonald. >> i think both the >> i think both the congregations and the ics, congregations and the ics, interface community services, interface community services, are seeing more folks calling us are seeing more folks calling usfor assistance, to know where for assistance, to know where the resources are, where can the resources are, where can they turn.

they turn. >> the shift has left many faith >> the shift has left many faithleaders at a loss. leaders at a loss. >> probably the most poignant >> probably the most poignant interaction we had with a faith interaction we had with a faith leader about a year or so ago leader about a year or so ago before we started this whole before we started this whole effort was when a second person effort was when a second person in their congregation took their in their congregation took theirown life.

own life. and he said to us, what are we and he said to us, what are we not doing? not doing? >> faith communities have always >> faith communities have alwaysplayed a role in mental health. played a role in mental health. national surveys have national surveys have consistently shown that more consistently shown that more people turn to their clergy when people turn to their clergy whenthey experience a mental health they experience a mental health issue than to psychiatrists or

issue than to psychiatrists or doctors. doctors. but the clergy may not always but the clergy may not always know how to respond. know how to respond. mcdonald saw a growing desire mcdonald saw a growing desire among southern arizona's faith among southern arizona's faith leaders to learn more about leaders to learn more about mental illness. mental illness. and she felt compelled the help. and she felt compelled the help.she started by organizing the

she started by organizing the state's first conference on state's first conference on faith communities and mental faith communities and mental illness in april 2012. illness in april 2012. it sold out, packing its venue it sold out, packing its venue with more than 450 people egger with more than 450 people egger for answers. for answers. >> for some people of faith to >> for some people of faith to have a mental illness first of have a mental illness first of all is a thing of shame, so it's

all is a thing of shame, so it'sjust not talked about. just not talked about. so that's probably the biggest so that's probably the biggest challenge, and probably not just challenge, and probably not justin the faith community. in the faith community. it's starting to break that it's starting to break that silence and remove the shame silence and remove the shame around that and the guilt around around that and the guilt aroundthat. that. >> but the man to break that

>> but the man to break that silence hasn't debated. silence hasn't debated. ics continues to hold forums on ics continues to hold forums on mental health topics and offered mental health topics and offereda mental health resource kit for a mental health resource kit forany faith community that asks any faith community that asks for one. for one. for mcdonald, who is herself an for mcdonald, who is herself an ordained minister, fighting the ordained minister, fighting the stigma that surrounds mental

stigma that surrounds mental illness is part of being try to illness is part of being try to her faith. her faith. >> for me, it's imperative that >> for me, it's imperative that communities and people of faith communities and people of faith be who they say they are. be who they say they are. and that is a place of and that is a place of compassion and support and compassion and support and growth for anybody who would growth for anybody who would come.

come. the originators of all of our the originators of all of our fates teach us that. fates teach us that. >> the push to make faith >> the push to make faith communities more aware of mental communities more aware of mentalhealth issues and more welcoming health issues and more welcomingto those who live with them to those who live with them isn't just coming from faith isn't just coming from faith leaders. leaders. it's also growing out of the

it's also growing out of the congregations themselves. congregations themselves. at st. andrews presbyterian at st. andrews presbyterian church, karen andrews is church, karen andrews is bringing bipolar disorder out of bringing bipolar disorder out ofthe shadows. the shadows. >> the stigma can only be broken >> the stigma can only be brokenwith knowledge. with knowledge. and with compassion. and with compassion. and that's what has to happen

and that's what has to happen here at st. andrews church. here at st. andrews church. >> andrews has struggled with >> andrews has struggled with bipolar since an early age. bipolar since an early age. for decades she kept it under for decades she kept it under wraps. wraps. >> but one day i went to work >> but one day i went to work and i couldn't stop crying. and i couldn't stop crying. i had no idea what was i had no idea what was happening.

happening. it just hit me like that. it just hit me like that. and so i left work, went to my and so i left work, went to my doctor, and he immediately doctor, and he immediately phoned a psychiatrist. phoned a psychiatrist. i went there and he immediately i went there and he immediately put me in the hospital. put me in the hospital. and i was in there for a month. and i was in there for a month. and they finally -- they said and they finally -- they said well, we know what's wrong with

well, we know what's wrong with you. you. and that wuas a great relief fo and that wuas a great relief fo me. me. >> with a diagnosis, andrews was >> with a diagnosis, andrews wasfinally able to get treatment finally able to get treatment and find stability. and find stability. now she wanted to share what she now she wanted to share what shelearned with others. learned with others. she sought a home for the

she sought a home for the support group she envisioned, support group she envisioned, one that would actually teach one that would actually teach the coping skills that ath had the coping skills that ath had helped her make peace with her helped her make peace with her bipolar disorder. bipolar disorder. that was when she found st. that was when she found st. andrews. andrews. >> when we were getting ready to >> when we were getting ready towalk out after the service,

walk out after the service, pastor carla williams was pastor carla williams was screening people and she came up screening people and she came upto us, started talking with us. to us, started talking with us. and she was interested in and she was interested in knowing about our craziest knowing about our craziest church experiences and i had church experiences and i had just mentioned that i had pretty just mentioned that i had prettyrecently done a support group recently done a support group for people who have bipolar

for people who have bipolar disorder. disorder. and her eyes got big and she and her eyes got big and she just said really? just said really? and she began telling me about and she began telling me about the industry that they have here the industry that they have hereat st. andrews and that one of at st. andrews and that one of their concerns here is finding a their concerns here is finding away to reach out to those who way to reach out to those who don

don have mental illness. have mental illness. it was a fairly difficult it was a fairly difficult moment. moment. >> the 11-week course is now in >> the 11-week course is now in its second year and interest in its second year and interest in it is growing. it is growing. carla williams says the program carla williams says the program has become a way for the church has become a way for the church to work out and better serve the

to work out and better serve thecommunity. community. >> it's raised our awareness, >> it's raised our awareness, that we really are a place where that we really are a place wherepeople come looking for comfort. people come looking for comfort.i'm sure they're looking for i'm sure they're looking for hope. hope. often mental illnesses drive often mental illnesses drive people to hopelessness and people to hopelessness and suicide.

suicide. the gospel is the gospel of the gospel is the gospel of hope. hope. >> hope is now karen andrews' >> hope is now karen andrews' mission. mission. >> we have genetic mistakes all >> we have genetic mistakes all time. time. that's what bipolar happens to that's what bipolar happens to be. be. but god loves us

but god loves us unconditionally. unconditionally. and that's how he wants us to and that's how he wants us to love each other and care for one love each other and care for oneanother. another. when we see somebody who has a when we see somebody who has a mental illness, we have a mental illness, we have a special calling the reach out special calling the reach out because they are god's children. because they are god's children.>> to answer that calling is the

>> to answer that calling is thegreatest expression of faith. greatest expression of faith. >> the latest research on the >> the latest research on the link between spirituality and link between spirituality and mental illness is a complex mental illness is a complex picture. picture. here to explain this is dr. lynn here to explain this is dr. lynnklimo, a university of arizona klimo, a university of arizona assistant professor of assistant professor of psychiatry.

psychiatry. hello. hello. so what does research tell us so what does research tell us about the link between about the link between spirituality and wellness? spirituality and wellness? >> well, there's been a lot of >> well, there's been a lot of research going on for quite a research going on for quite a few years, actually. few years, actually. recent research as well as older recent research as well as olderresearch.

research. there's a lot of research being there's a lot of research being done on religion versus done on religion versus spirituality. spirituality. most of the research has been most of the research has been done on religion, actually. done on religion, actually. can i tell you the difference can i tell you the difference first? first? >> sure, go right ahead. >> sure, go right ahead. >> first, religion -- a lot of

>> first, religion -- a lot of the studies have been done on the studies have been done on religious dependence. religious dependence. so people that actually go to so people that actually go to religious services. religious services. so when you think about so when you think about religion, you think about our religion, you think about our major religions, like major religions, like christianity, judaism, various christianity, judaism, various muslim now is in the news a lot.

muslim now is in the news a lot.so you're thinking about an so you're thinking about an organized system, a place where organized system, a place where you go to church, have a you go to church, have a fellowship, you have a fellowship, you have a hierarchy, a place where you hierarchy, a place where you learn the rules of living life. learn the rules of living life. spirituality is a much more spirituality is a much more personal relationship that you personal relationship that you might have with something that

might have with something that you feel connected to. you feel connected to. so it's a more personal so it's a more personal relationship with whatever you relationship with whatever you believe in. believe in. >> okay, so then how are you >> okay, so then how are you finding that this is actually finding that this is actually affecting people's wellness? affecting people's wellness? and is there a difference and is there a difference between the two?

between the two? >> well, they're actually trying >> well, they're actually tryingto separate out the two now. to separate out the two now. the studies that have been done the studies that have been done with religious attendance, with religious attendance, there's over 850 studies done on there's over 850 studies done onreligious attendance, and they religious attendance, and they have shown lots of positive have shown lots of positive effects. effects. they've shown decrease in blood

they've shown decrease in blood pressure. pressure. they've shown people are they've shown people are exercising more. exercising more. they've been showing people are they've been showing people are able to cope better with life. able to cope better with life. they're showing that they're they're showing that they're doing better nutrition. doing better nutrition. they're also showing about a 25% they're also showing about a 25%better predictive value for

better predictive value for people in not developing anxiety people in not developing anxietyand depression. and depression. suicide rates are going down. suicide rates are going down. people don't use chemicals like people don't use chemicals like alcohol or drugs as often. alcohol or drugs as often. they're also showing with they're also showing with psychosis that people are coping psychosis that people are copingwith their psychosis. with their psychosis. this is where some of the

this is where some of the complexity comes in. complexity comes in. i know i haven't answered fully i know i haven't answered fully your question yet. your question yet. but let me come back to that, but let me come back to that, because the separation between because the separation between spirituality and religion is spirituality and religion is difficult. difficult. religion, it's easy because do religion, it's easy because do they go to church or do they not

they go to church or do they notgo to church? go to church? we can measure that. we can measure that. spirituality, it's how they spirituality, it's how they actually believe something and actually believe something and what they give meaning to. what they give meaning to. >> so how do you measure this? >> so how do you measure this? >> so when we do studies -- and >> so when we do studies -- and i'm actually not a researcher, i i'm actually not a researcher, iread the research.

read the research. so when we're looking at so when we're looking at spirituality, we have to ask spirituality, we have to ask different kinds of questions. different kinds of questions. we're asking questions like what we're asking questions like whatare you attributing meaning to are you attributing meaning to in your life? in your life? and the separating out of -- not and the separating out of -- notjust do you feel sad, do you just do you feel sad, do you feel happy, do you feel a sense

feel happy, do you feel a sense of well-being, but do you feel of well-being, but do you feel these things in relationship to these things in relationship to what you believe in and what you what you believe in and what youattribute meaning to. attribute meaning to. and it could be a god or it and it could be a god or it could be something like nature, could be something like nature, like a native american belief like a native american belief system. system. >> and how do we know -- how

>> and how do we know -- how does the research that's been does the research that's been done know that in the few done know that in the few seconds that we have left here seconds that we have left here that it is actually the that it is actually the spirituality and the religion spirituality and the religion that's having the effect on that's having the effect on wellness and not necessarily the wellness and not necessarily theemotional state. emotional state. >> there's a lot of people doing

>> there's a lot of people doingstudies out by putting people in studies out by putting people inbrain scans, for example. brain scans, for example. cat scans. cat scans. they're doing eegs. they're doing eegs. so they're trying to find this so they're trying to find this "a god spot." "a god spot." they're looking at people that they're looking at people that have had brain injuries and have had brain injuries and looking at something called a

looking at something called a transcendent trait. transcendent trait. so they're able to now with some so they're able to now with someof our technology look at the of our technology look at the nuns or buddhist monks and nuns or buddhist monks and they're actually looking at this they're actually looking at thison some of our technology. on some of our technology. >> great. >> great. well, th

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